Interested in seeing what the comments on the Discussion Board look like?  Here is an archive of transactions from a recent offering of Teaching At A Distance: From Concept to Practice.  What follows are the complete postings for the 1st Sub-Forum of the 1st Theme (How can you encourage distance education learners to accept responsibility for their own learning?).  The workshop includes a total of 5 themes (20 sub-forums) over a period of 5 weeks.  Postings have been edited to remove identities of participants.



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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Mon Oct 4 2004 10:37 am

Author: Fxx, Sxxxx

Subject: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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This is a question I struggled with many times when I taught in a traditional classroom. Having taught middle school English and college freshman (a required course), I know that in that setting, encouraging learner responsibility is difficult at times. Sometimes learners in these two specific situtation do not see direct applicability of the material to their life. I have not taught an online course, but I am sure that it can be just as difficult to engage the learner, especially when it is at a distance.

 

One of the exciting things about distance education, which I have found in the community learning centers that we visit, many adult learners have gone online for distance education courses because they are ready to embrace education; they want to learn for themselves, not because someone told them they should go to school. Many of these learners have mentioned that it makes all the difference when the instructor takes an interest in their learning, but does not try to control the learning environment. I think this seems to be key to learner responsibility. If the instructor facilitates the opening discussion by taking an interest in the students and their background, much like Joe did with this course, it allows the student to think about why they are taking the course, how it relates to their work/lives, as well as what connections they may have with the other learners.

 

These relationships hopefully encourage learners along the way, making them eager to share ideas from their own lives and hear from other learners in the class. I know from my own coursework that when I come to a class and discuss ideas with others that I can then take back to my work or life, I am more interested and willing to become engaged with the material.

 

Joe says in his chapter, Distance Education: A Shared Understanding, that "probably the most essential characteristic of the successful learner in a distance education teaching/learning environment is that the learner must be willing and able to be self-directing" (2). This self-direction, I think, comes from good facilitation--engaging the learners early,providing them an opportunity to discuss how this class will fit into their lives and work, and then letting them hear how other learners will use the course. When learners are able to articulate why they are taking the course, there is sometimes an "A-ha!" moment where they realize they are in control of their learning and what they do with the material. And, when they turn on the computer and work on their course, they are able to see that there is not someone telling them to go to the site, they have led themselves there.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Mon Oct 4 2004 5:28 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Sxxxx -

 

You've touched on many, many good ideas when it comes to encouraging learner responsibility. As an educator, one of the things that I've finally been able to truly accept is the idea that I am NOT solely responsible for the success of what goes on in the distance education program. This may sound like a fairly simplistic/obvious statement, but I find that so often we enter the program with the assumption that we have control over the learning - and we don't.

 

You said it very nicely when you said, "...when the instructor takes an interest in their learning, but does not try to control the learning environment." I'd even go a bit further and suggest that many instructors try to control the "learning" - not just the "learning environment".

 

Borrowing from a developmental psychology view - a) we can encourage growth/development but we can't guarantee it, b) we can definitely discourage growth/development, and c) there are things we can do to better set the stage for growth/development if the person wants it to occur. Such a view puts the educator into a secondary role - the learner is in the primary role.

 

So - then the challenge becomes a matter of what can the instructor do to set the stage for learning/responsibility so that the learner can easily move onto that stage if he/she desires.

 

Obviously there are numerous ways to begin to set the stage for learning/accepting of responsibility. You've hit on some of them. Others include -

 

* Instructor responds to all contributions (big or small)

* Instructor tries to positively reinforce some aspect of each person's contribution.

* Instructor values the learner's experience (not just his/her own experience)

* Instructor tries to keep his comments succinct/short so that he doesn't bore everyone. Ooops!

 

I'm sure others have ideas to share!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Mon Oct 4 2004 9:18 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Hxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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 Sxxxx covers this subject really well.

 

Personally, I have found that in the correspondence courses a fast turn-around of work is a good motivator for students as well as the personal telephone contact for the few that need it.

 

In the online environment, an acknowledgement of each contribution is also a good motivator and I have noticed that Joe has been doing this in this workshop. It is nice to know that someone is reading what you have posted, and as Joe pointed out in his last email, learners don't have the advantage of knowing how many times the postings have been read.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Mon Oct 4 2004 10:44 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Hxxxxxxx -

 

Thanks for your comments. I have found that even the most elaborate d.e. designs can benefit tremendously from the smallest human elements when the instructor demonstrates his/her interest in the learner.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 1:30 am

Author: Mxxxxxxxx, Axxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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There is so much to say about this subject and I find that it's such a crucial issue for the success (or miserable failure) of DE offerings that there isn't such a thing as paying to much attention to it. To what you have said so far (the role of the instructor etc) I would add that there are substantial differences in they types of DE adults embark on. What I'm referring to for example is the difference between adults who decide to take a full time MA program at a distance, vs. those who are furthering their knowledge in a specific area while they are working full time vs. those who are taking a learning programme offered at their workplace.

 

I used to think that learners' intrinsic motivation, their metacognitive abilities etc were the determinant factor in whether a learner would take responsibility for their learning, but I have discovered that external factors are of the utmost importance as well.

 

It may be that the learner's expectations may have to be set differently, based on the type of DE offering. I remember that the first time I took a DE course while I was working full time I was disapponted that I could not dedicate much time to it and therefore I wasn't spending enough time on reflection and on deepening my understanding of the subject as I used to when I was learning at a distance full time. Maybe consciously reflecting on whether you as a lerner go for breadth vs depth and what that means exactly may help in this respect. And the role of the instructor becomes ever more crucial to facilitate this process.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 2:32 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Axxxxxxxxx -

 

Thanks for your insights. I'm hoping that others will join in this discussion. It is so central to our understanding of d.e. Here are a few more thoughts to add on to what has already been said -

 

Though I agree with your view that there are differences in learner responsibility based upon "the types of DE adults embark on", I feel that learning at a distance places special emphasis on the learner's willingness/ability to accept responsibility for learning - much more so than face-to-face instruction.

 

Probably the greatest reason for this is the fact that the learner is separated from the instructor. This separation requires that the learner be more adult-like - to accept more responsibility for his/her own learning since there is no one there to keep the learner focused.

 

I worry about those instructors who merely upload their face-to-face instructional materials to a website and then expect them to magically turn into a d.e. course. In face-to-face instruction I do not believe that learner responsibility is essential. However, if the way the d.e. course is organized does not take into account a concern for supporting the acceptance of learner responsibility I think it will be less than successful.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 8:39 am

Author: Hxxxxxx, Mxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Axxxxxxxxx,

 

Your comments about going for 'breadth/depth' really struck me as being vitally important for distance learners. Sometimes I think there is a strong feeling that one most 'post' or comment to a 'post' and not taking enough time for that reflection. On the other side, that is also one of the benefits of being online - you can take your time before posting, as opposed to being in a classroom setting and immediately responding. Somehow there still appears the tyranny of the urgent! It is so important for people to take the time to reflect on their learning and the implications of it, instead of primarily ingesting content. mh

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 10:54 am

Author: Lxxxxx, Txxxxx Txxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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One of your bullet points in that last list was "instructor responds to all inquiries (big or small). I was just talking to a colleague from my Ph.D. institution about their new online degrees for a master's in journalism. She was saying that they know NOW that some faculty members don't do as well with the online instruction, and the reason -- they can't handle the avalanche of email responses.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:13 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Txxxxx -

 

I think you either get good at responding to the avalanche or move on to other forms of teaching that don't require written interactions with learners. I find, though, that rather than perceiving of all of the postings as an avalanche I tend to see them as wonderful opportunities to get to know the learners (and for them to get to know me). I believe that once we begin to know each other the opportunity for learning is greatly increased.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 5:15 pm

Author: Dxxxxx, Cxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hello

one thing I have often been trying to do when developing d.e. material for our staff is to encourage the learner (through exercises or space for reflection)to identify a "learning partner" within his/her own working environment to exchange views and ideas face-to-face on issues related to the learning topics. In my view, this might encourage the learner not only to take responsibility for his/her own learning, but also for the possible practical applications of that learning in the workplace. Curiously enough, this worked well when learners were able to identify their own "learning partner" in the same office and could talk to him/her face-to-face; on the contrary, it was quite a failure in those cases where learners could only communicate with their "learning partners" through emails or online..I guess that this (again) may have to do with the so-much-required human dimension of learning?

Cxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 6:24 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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I am finding an amazingly direct correlation between the threads about learner responsibilty and some issues we have been having in a blended delivery undergraduate general education course with 250 students and 6 Teaching Assistants (each TA is responsible for 3 sections of 20 students).

 

Adults at any level seem to have a more intrinsic way of "getting" learner responsibilty but an 18 year old taking a general education course because he or she "has to" seems to be another story. I agree that concepts such as replying to every post and taking a learner's background and knowledge into consideration when designing the course or syllabus help in many contexts.

 

But how do we "teach" a class of 250 students how to be learner centered when they have no idea of how to be anything else than dependent on the traditional method of teaching?Below is a quote from one of our students in the undergraduate general ed. online course:

 

"I don't want to learn. I just want to find it in a book and write it down."

 

This is the mindset we are working so hard to change.

 

I feel we need to give them more tools and guidance about how to make that transition from the "old" to the "new" and I am not sure how to do that? Anyone have any ideas??

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 7:05 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: The value of learning partners at a distance

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 Cxxxxxx -

 

I really like your idea. Using pairs (small teams) of learners at a distant location can really help in making the d.e. experience successful. One of the nice things about using teams as you have suggested is that questions/content that may be accidentally skipped over by the instructor can be dealt with locally. Partners can help each other through the program and take some of the demand away from the instructor to answer all questions.

 

Good idea!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 7:15 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Two tier classes

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 Jxxxxxxx -

 

Egad - talk about starting with a tough question!

 

I think most all of us would agree that a class of 250 stretches the imagination of even the best teacher. And especially if it's an undergraduate class which suggests that most of the learners may not be in the mood to want to accept much responsibility. And, of course, they usually drag the instructor down with them!

 

My usual response to your concern -

 

Create a two tier class situation.

 

One tier is for most of the group. It looks like a regular "learn it or else" type of college class. It has assignments, tests, etc. etc.

 

The other tier is sort of an "advanced" group and is available to anyone from Tier One who would like to join - who is willing to commit to taking some responsibility for their own learning. Tier Two students would not be required to participate in the Tier One class, be given lots of freedom to identify alternative ways to learn the content, be encouraged to work in teams/groups, get more indivudal attention from the instructors as needed, etc. etc.

 

If done well, more and more Tier One students will opt to move over to Tier Two as the course progresses.

 

Of course, Tier Two is much more demanding on the teachers. However, it's a much powerful learning situation. And, of course, discipline in Tier Two tends to be a function of the learners - not the teacher as it is in Tier One.

 

Just a thought!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 10:41 pm

Author: Vxx Dxx, Lxxxxx

Subject: Learner Responsibility

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 Joe has encouraged us to reveal our own "biases" in these discussions. I think one of my biases in my approach to distance education is that the learners come to distance education already very highly motivated. They are, if I'm not mistaken, adult learners and clearly focused on a goal. I think the facilitator has to have clear objectives in mind and clear means of assessment - - but I'm assuming that the learners are motivated and will accept responsibility for their learning. Or am I wrong??

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:14 pm

Author: Rxxxxx, Exxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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 Sxxxx,

You have pointed out a number of important factors. When the learner is the focus, in charge... as Joe puts it, it makes a world of difference.

I also find that my graduate students tend to be more self-motivated and self directed learners thatn do most of my undergraduate students. In general, they are more "Adult"

adult-learners than "the traditional 18-22 year old students in undergraduate classes. Perhaps there is also the maturational element to consider. Motivation, maturation, material, mentoring, momentum are all important factors that contribute to learners taking the responsibility.

Exxxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:16 pm

Author: Rxxxxx, Exxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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 Jxxxxxxx,

I just commented to Sxxxx's post a similar perspective!

I wonder how many of our clleagues find this to be the case? Does the subject matter or topic influence this at all?

Curiously,

Exxxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:21 pm

Author: Rxxxxx, Exxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Two tier classes

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 Joe,

While the "two tier" format makes so much sense, how about the administrative and departmental hoops that are involved in "splitting" a class. Perhaps I misunderstood. I can see setting up sections that students could register for either the "traditional" method and then alternative apporaches based on learner preparedness. Still, logistically, that creates still other considerations.

Does anyone do initial screening and ongoing reevaluation of learner readiness for on-line/DE? {another logistical quandry}.

I have so many more questions that come to mind related to this. I suppose if the entire program is using DE, then learners self-select by applying to the program...but even that has confounding variables. The mind boggles.

Exxxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:29 pm

Author: Rxxxxx, Exxxxxxxx < earankin@salisbury.edu>

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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 Lxxxxx,

I think that there are two perspectives on this- 1) learners rise to the expectations, and 2) never assume anything about the learner- each of us [educator and learners] is unique in our motivations. I do agree that a portion of the individuals that take a DE course do so because they are motivated. Others may do so because employers "strongly suggest it", or they live long distances form other educational sites, or they need a course that isn't offered at the home institution at the time they need it, say to progress to another level of study.

Exxxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:34 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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Lxxxxx -

 

I don't think it's a matter of you being right or wrong. I think your bias makes so much sense - especially when you acknowledge it as you have. I also think that by you assuming that the learners are motivated and willing to accept responsibility you have gone a long way to helping them attain that very goal.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Tue Oct 5 2004 11:42 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Two tier classes

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Exxxxxxxx -

 

I see the two tiers operating within the same section/class. I really don't see it as a pre-selection that would go on before the course begins. As a person is ready for Tier Two they can move into it.

 

Both options should be available to all of the students. Ideally I'd like Tier Two to appear attractive - however there are hurdles that must be jumped in order to get into Tier Two (you just don't get in because you want to). These hurdles would relate to a willingness to accept responsibility for one's own learning.

 

Everyone would start in Tier One - then, as people demonstrate their learning maturity they would be invited into Tier Two. Ideally, by the end of the semester, everyone would be in Tier Two. Mission accomplished!!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 11:00 am

Author: Fxx, Sxxxx

Subject: Re: Two tier classes

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This is a really interesting approach, one that I would like to see unfold. I was chuckling a bit as I was reading Exxxxxxxx's and Jxxxxxxx's comments about undergrads. I taught English Composition, a required course, to college freshman in the past. Being that Iowa State is a Science and Engineering school, you can imagine the responses that I received: "I'm going to be an engineer, so I will never use this stuff." That is obviously not true, as we all know, but to make an student understand the worth of the course and the worth of learning to better yourself is difficult. I tried many different ways to approach this--bringing in people of the field to discuss the use of good writing/analytical skills, but I don't know if I ever made a huge impact.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 1:37 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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I am really interested in this idea of partnering or creating small teams to act as a "support system." My thought is that it can be used not only for pairing those in the same local area together, but also to help in the support of a large class. If students have a group of peers they are able to call or meet in person with, that may be enough of a peer-to-peer support to lessen instructor troubleshooting time as well as give them a sense that they are not just out on cyberspace alone.

 

How structured do you think these groups need to be? Can they thrive on being merely a support system (to answer technical, content, or logistical questions) or do they always need a specific goal such as completing an assignment?

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 1:39 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Two tier classes

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I like the concept behind a two tier classroom but the logistics seem to be so overhwelming. Is this something that needs to be built into the course design from the very beginning or is it possible to implement after the course has already been designed?

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 1:40 pm

Author: Hxxxxxxxxxx, Mxxx

Subject: Encouraging learner responsibility

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I believe that learner responsibility can best be nurtured in a collaborative learning environment. When the instructor assumes an interactive role with the student, where together they assess needs, locate resources and plan learning activities, this helps move the student incrementally from dependence to independence. It also increases student motivation. Of course, this means that the instructor must change as well from being a controlling disseminator of information to being a facilitator, manager and coach. It is also important that interaction between the instructor and student be frequent and prompt. If we are expecting students to learn how to monitor their own learning then they need a lot of feedback as to how they are doing. More scaffolding is needed at the beginning as the learner goes through this paradigm shift.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 1:56 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Encouraging learner responsibility

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Mxxx,

 

I am interested in this idea of scaffolding but am a little unclear about exactly what it means. Is it basically giving students more responsibilties little by little? Can you give me an example?

 

Jxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:16 pm

Author: Hxxxxxxxxxx, Mxxx

Subject: Re: Encouraging learner responsibility

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Jxxx,

 

Yes you are right. Scaffolding provides the student with temporary support until help is no longer needed. It can be done in many ways, such as examples, explanations etc, but should be built on the student's existing knowledge. See: http://scaffolding.edte.utwente.nl/define.htm#Modeling/Coaching/Scaffolding

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:27 pm

Author: Oxxxxx, Vxxxxxxx

Subject: Development of responsibility for learning

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Learners responsibilities is a topic we have thought about in many occasions. We have about 350 students in undergraduate distance learning courses. They are divided in groups of approx. 25 st. and there is always a teacher/tutor responsible for each group. Students are all adults and most of them over 22 years old. What we cannot identify is up to what degree they really wish to learn and develop a learning responsibility or simply obtain they diploma.

 

Firstly, we have noticed that they intend to read and study “minimum content”, let me explain: study content from study guides only and if possible no books, just dossiers of chapters and not too long readings. This fact has an explanation on their part that we have surveyed: as most of them work, they indicate that they have not time for long readings.

 

Secondly, the intention is “pass the exam”

 

Thirdly, they do not wish to post to the discussion board. What for? Posting to discussion boards will not add anything to their final objective that is “getting through the course”. If someone has a specific question to ask to his/her Tutor what is commonly done is: an e-mail to the Tutor for a quick response.

 

Fourthly, interaction among students: This is a point we definite cannot develop through a discussion board since most of them meet once a week in optional face-to-face sessions of 5 hours. Those not attending face-to-face sessions never show up in discussion boards.

 

Summing up: Students keep to Study Guides, dossiers of chapters from books, e-mails to Tutors when necessary, tests and exams. Can we define this process as self-directing responsibility towards learning?

 

So, what kind of learning responsibility should we develop?

I do agree with Joe when he writes “… the most essential characteristic of the successful learner in a distance education /teaching environment is that the learner must be willing and able to be self-directing……. a learner who is accepting and exercising responsibility for his/her own learning……………Not only must the distance educator be concerned about the content of the instruction that will be delivered at a distance but there must be an equally strong concern that the instructional strategies clearly foster the emergence of the self-directed learner and the growth of learner responsibility”.

What I personally fail to find the way out is how to develop students responsibility towards learning, I repeat LEARNING (in bold, capital letters) and not to “just passing or getting through” in undergraduate courses.

 

Has somebody had a similar experience?

 

Sorry for being so long

 

Vxxxxxxx.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:39 pm

Author: Ixxxxx, Jxx

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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Dear Lxxxxx:

 

Much of the discussion I have just reviewed relates to college/university level students, undergrad and graduate. The people I need to reach with d.e. are neither. Farmers, gardeners, sawmill operators, local land-use officials, 4-H volunteers are a few possible groups that come to mind.

 

Let's start with farmers. A typical profile could be 75% male, most over 50, many H.S. grads, a few non-HS grads, a few with college. Mostly unsophisticated with computer technology, although this is not documented. This group HAS to be self-directed and motivated to learn in order to participate. They are usually incredibly busy and physically tired when they finally come inside to relax. The conventional wisdom among my extension agricultural agent colleagues is that "if your program will help them make more money, they will be interested". This is a basic, visceral type of motivation. And pretty simple to decide if your program has value to the audience or not. Of course, there will be a part of the farmer group who are always interested in learning, and like the computer/web technology.

 

In a nutshell: Some potential D.E. learning groups can be identified as taking significant responsibility simply by showing up. Of course, it is up to the program designer/host to make their experience a postitive one, and then continue to offer more valuable learning experiences.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:41 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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Jxxxxxxx -

 

I have an idea that there are no real absolutes when it comes to creating group situations for learning. Sometimes lots of structure is needed - other times none.

 

One of the reasons I like to use small groups is that it provides an opportunity for everyone in the group to be active (even if just within their small group). I like to refer to this as "individualizing" instruction. However, it's not the usual type of "individualizing". What it does is allows each and every learner to be an "individual" in the class - to have his/her own identity recognized and appreciated.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:43 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Two tier classes

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Jxxxxxxx -

 

I think you could either way - by design or when needed. The key is that the instructor has the ability to treat learners in different ways (as dependent learners needing lots of structure, or self-directing learners needing little structure). So often we design instructional programs that assigns all of the learners to be treated in the same manner. That really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:47 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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Jxx -

 

Yes, what you're describing makes a lot of sense. I would add, though, that recognizing the individual and unique needs/motivations of your learners can go a long way to helping them learn ways to deal with their concerns.

 

I have found that ag agents are usually extremely good about building relationships with their learners as a key part of their ongoing work. However, sometimes I see them forget to continue building on this concern for relationship building once they get up in front of a group as a teacher. It's as if they're a different person when they stand up in front of a group.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:52 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Encouraging learner responsibility

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Mxxx -

 

Very well stated!

 

One other thing that I have found to be very helpful in encouraging the sort of learning/learner that you describe is when you have colleagues who similarly value the learner. The learner is then getting the same sort of feedback and reinforcement from a number of different people. Sometimes if you are the only one attempting to encourage learning/learner it can be very difficult - and the learner may not be willing to change their behavior for just you. However, if such a view is characteristic of a group of faculty it can be very successful.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 2:57 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Development of responsibility for learning

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Vxxxxxxx -

 

You have described such a very typical (and frustrating) situation! Obviously there is no simple answer to encouraging learning - especially self-directed learning. I have found that I am most successful in bringing about needed change when I am part of a group effort - where the students are expected to behave the same way for a number of different instructors. In other words, as they move from class to class (instructor to instructor) there are certain elements that remain consistent - valuing of learning, encouraging of dialogue, welcoming questions, respecting each other, etc. etc. This can allow for a shift in the instructional/learning paradigm - which I think would be essential for the situation you describe.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 4:01 pm

Author: Ixxxxx, Jxx

Subject: Learner responsibility impacted by perceived benefit?

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Many interesting postings on learner responsibility. Most from the perspective of a learner within the context of higher education. My target learner-groups will be different. They will not NEED to take my d.e. class to complete a degree or certificate. I think the only powerful motivator will the the perceived benefit they will receive from the learning they experience. This can be a difficult idea to "sell" to people.

 

In my experience, the value farmers place on local extension programs is based on an economic advantage they gain with what they learned at the program. For example, by adopting a new planting or weed control practice, they could increase crop yields or quality and make more money. Or by adopting an improved procedure in animal husbandry, they could reduce veterinary expenses and increase their net profits. Its very simple...if the program/d.e.opportunity offers immediate and practical application resulting in increased returns or significant labor savings, then the learner (farmer) is interested...and more likely to take responsibility for their own learning.

 

I am wondering if d.e. will be attractive to farmers who do not attend local extension programs because the distance to travel is too great. Currently, they invest significant time, up to a full day, to attend a class or event lasting 2 or 3 hours. This involves a lot of logistical problems, especially for livestock and dairy farmers. By allowing them the opportunity to learn at their own convenience, it may remove some barriers to participation.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 4:04 pm

Author: Ixxxxx, Jxx

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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This is very true. I've seen it and experienced it. In my case, its a sort of stage fright, I think. In some cases, the instructor (ag agent) feels it is necessary to assume the role of "know-all". Some are pretty good at it, others not so good. In any case, this is a worn-out paradigm and my goal is to discard it.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 6:20 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Encouraging learner responsibility

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Thanks so much Mark! I think this is exactly the kind of direction we need to go in to strengthen the online course we are producing right now. The chart was especially helpful in showing the differences between modeling, coaching, and scaffolding, as I see they do have their similarities.

 

Jxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 6:23 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Development of responsibility for learning

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Vxxxxxxx,

 

I am actually having a similar experience in a class of 250 (separated into four groups of 20 - each with its own TA). I think I mentioned in a previous posting that one student actually wrote in a survey:

 

"I don't want to learn. I just want to find it in a book and write it down."

 

You are not alone!!!

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Wed Oct 6 2004 9:06 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Learner responsibility impacted by perceived benefit?

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Jxx -

 

I really understand where you're coming from. In fact, as I read what you've written the first thing that occurred to me was that there had to be a much better technology/media to use with farmer learners than the Internet. It would seem that the Internet demands certain behaviors that may not be consistent with the sort of learner that the farmer is (or the times that the farmer may have available for learning).

 

Some of the questions that seem to be bouncing around in my head are:

 

* What are the best learning times for a farmer during growing season? during harvest? during other times?

 

* Where is the most convenient place for a farmer to learn?

 

* What sorts of technology is most accessible to a farmer for learning? (telephone? cellular telephone? television? VCR? computer program? Internet? etc. etc.

 

* Is there a group of learners that a farmer identifies with? would like to learn with?

 

* At what cognitive level is the content that the farmer would liek to learn? knowledge level? comprehension level? application level? analysis level? etc. etc.

 

* What questions would you ask a farmer to find out if he/she really wanted to learn something? How would you measure the farmer's commitment to wanting to learn?

 

These are just a few questions - I'm sure you can think of others.

 

Before I would jump into designing a d.e. program for farmers I would want to get some answers to these questions and others.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 8:27 am

Author: Dxxxxx, Cxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Development of responsibility for learning

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Vxxxxxxx and Joe

 

I think many of us share the very same concern, no matter the age of the students i.e. to what degree students really wish to learn and develop a learning responsibility or simply obtain their diploma. In my organization this is a very current topic of discussion: whether or not it is appropriate and recommended to link graduation from a d.e. course to actual career promotion or even simple "suitability" for promotion. Unfortunately, far too often our staff members come to us and ask to be enrolled in our management learning programme immediately before applying for a new position or while awaiting their promotion, simply because one of the elements within those considered for a promotion is the "number" of learning activities undertaken. The problem goes obviously beyond learning and concerns more generally the way the human resources system functions (or does not function) in an organization. But I believe this shows that far too many people with different backgrounds still don't value the "learning experience" as such but only what this learning can bring them in terms of career opportunities and advancement.

 

There is certainly no quick solution to this problem, but one of the ways we want to go about it is by starting to incorporate "learning contracts" or agreements into the courses. At the beginning of the course, learners will be asked to identify their own personal learning needs, to set their own learning objectives or goals and decide their own learning strategy (e.g. what pace, what additional resources etc). By so doing, we hope that they might develop a sense of responsibility and ownership of their learning plan and will make their learning objectives clear and explicit for themselves, their supervisors and for the organization.

 

Cxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 10:13 am

Author: Lxxxxx, Txxxxx Txxxxxx

Subject: Native American DE

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I'm new to DE, so I can only share an anecdote at this time. As my bio points out, I grew up on a reservation here in the States. Although I'm now living in Nebraska, I stay in close touch and visit home often. I've noticed that many friends back home have some experience with DE with a variety of results. My cousin has dropped out twice of DE opportunities. She just couldn't take control of the situation. She ended up calling me almost every day with questions and wanting help. I kept referring her back to the instructors, but she felt no connection to them and did not want to seek help from them. She referred to them as "old, white guys." In fact, she had no idea who they were.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 11:30 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Development of responsibility for learning

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Hi Cxxxxxx -

 

I really like your idea about using learning contracts as a way to begin to move learners further into learning (and away from just having their name on the enrollment form). I'm sure it will take some fine tuning to get the learning contracts to work the way you want them to. However, I think it will be worth the investment.

 

One other thing to keep in mind - if all you can accomplish is getting people to enroll in classes - even though they may not be doing for the best of reasons - it's certainly better than not enrolling. In fact, on more than one occasion I have seen a person do such a thing (just enroll without caring much about the actual learning experience) and they end up getting involved in the learning experience. Ha - gotcha!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 11:35 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Native American DE

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Hi Txxxxx -

 

I wish your cousin's experiences were unique. However, as we both know, they tend to happen in lots of settings - D.E. or not. The exciting thing that I get from your posting is that you've already identified a number of the things that can be done to begin to make a change - allow learners to have more control, create viable ways for learners to connect, create a situation where learners want to seek help. Good going!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 5:19 pm

Author: Hxxxxxx, Gxxx

Subject: Helping Students - Learner Responsibility

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Most of my experience with Distance Education comes from working with faculty and students at a community college. Students at a community college may have different needs than students at a 4-year institution. For example, we have many non-traditional students who did not use computers or technology in high school and they may be a bit “frightened” of technology. However, when they need to take a class and the only sections left are online….many will give it a try!

 

I think that the students, whether or not they are familiar with technology, need assistance before taking an online or hybrid course in order to understand what they are getting into when taking a distance education type of course. For many institutions this may start with the advisors that work with the students and also clearly stated descriptions in paper or online schedule books. Following are some other ideas that may help students:

 

1. Up-to-date web sites with accurate information on distance education offerings.

2. An online “quiz” a student can take to see if they are someone who should take a distance education course (similar to the quiz found in the registration of this training)

3. Face-to-face orientation sessions – we offer these sessions at LCC to students who need help getting started with an online class

4. Online orientation – We offer an online version of our orientation. I think it is a contradiction to offer online classes and not give an option for a online orientation :-).

5. Technology requirements – Many instructors get frustrated with students who try to take an online class yet do not have a computer or word processing software.

 

These are just some ideas of how to help a student be prepared for a distance education course. I think that if we help to prepare the students they will be more apt to take responsibility for their learning as there will be less frustration with the technology and more of a focus on learning.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 7:42 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Oh boy, do I identify with the concept of the avalanche of email responses. Add to this telephone calls and voicemail messages, and you will have a picture of my major form of interaction with my learners - it is my life as a distance educator. Each learner deserves a personal response as quickly as possible and this can be challenging. The irony is whenever I send an email response to a learner in no time at all they respond back to me. Yesterday with one of my learners my initial response to an email ended up in her sending me another four emails and I responded to all of those as well - and this is for only one student! However each communication was important. It was the equivalent of a quick chat before, during or after a class. She was asking valid questions about her assessments. She was enthusiastic and I wanted to keep this enthusiasm alive.

 

In my current situation I do not have any online courses. All my courses are the traditional correspondence model with self-contained printed materials being sent out to the learner. Ironically it is harder in this situation to engage with your learners and to keep them motivated. An instructional design team designs all the course materials and I have had no input in their development (by the way I hate this!). I have to work with these materials. As a result I try to communicate with my learners in a number of ways to engage them in an interaction. Some of the methods I use include: bulk emails, regular letters (still the only way I can guarantee I will reach most of my learners), online web support pages, discussion forums, telephone, printed newsletters sent out at regular intervals. Add to this the huge number of learners I am working with - at last count in the 12 courses I am responsible for I had 1,100 enrolments! I also have to travel around the country to deliver face-to-face workshops for various contracts we have. Workload is a huge issue and one that isn't realised.

 

I have met many contact teachers in tertiary institutions in NZ who have been told to put their courses online by their institutions. Many institutions (I am talking about management here, although some academics although think this is all that is involved) think this means simply transferring notes into another medium - in other words online learning to them is creating an e-reading course. These same institutions also do not recognise the time a teacher spends responding to learners by email/telephone as contact teaching time. Fortunately I do not have that problem.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 8:02 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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As I have come to expect from you Joe in this short period of time I am so impressed at your unconditional focus on the needs of the learner rather than the impact it may be having on you. I really admire this.

 

I have to admit that often I look at all the emails as an avalanche because I want to connect with each learner in a meaningful way and time is often against me. This frustrates me because I think everyone of my learners is important and deserves the very best I can offer. Also I hate it when I am away from the office and I cannot respond to them until I return.

 

The problem I have with all of this is - what about the needs of the teacher? Are we humans or smart bots/machines? To be effective in our role our needs must be acknowledged and met as well.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 8:34 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Axxxxxxxxx

All my learners are working either full-time or part-time - it is a requirement of the programme. The one factor that is motivating for them is that they can directly apply what they are learning in their own practice as adult educators and trainers. I believe the reflection may not happen in the traditional way when you are a full-time learner but I believe the reflection still happens. When a seed is planted and nurtured it grows. This growth does not always happen at the same time for every seed. When you are learning something new you want to understand it within your own context. We will all be doing this as part of this course. For example, I may discuss things I have learnt with my colleagues and reflect on their responses, I may try different things and then consider what worked and what didn’t. This is all part of a reflective process. Often people don’t even realise they are doing this.

 

I agree with you completely when you commented about the overriding importance of external factors on motivation. For many of my learners life gets in the way and these situations take precedence over their learning which is totally understandable and appropriate. We may not have any idea what is going on in the learner's life that may be impacting on their learning unless they wish to share it with us. In my experience this is also the case in contact teaching although in this situation you have other cues which act as indicators that something is not quite right.

 

Yesterday I had an email from a learner telling me she cannot do her work because she is suffering from burnout and she doesn't know what to do. She works as a trainer in a violence prevention programme. You can imagine the situations she deals with on a daily basis. I really felt for her. Her motivation was still there to complete her courses because she got in touch with me. The reality is that physically and emotionally she can't handle it and she needs to deal with this first.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 8:43 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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This learning partner/group concept is great one. The downside from my experience can be when the motivation and commitment is different between the partners. Small groups always somehow seem more intimate and therefore more encouraging and supportive. After all isn't this a reason for using them in contact situations?

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 8:53 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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Hi Jxxxxxxx

We encourage our students to form support groups and they are asked if they want to make their name available to other students for this purpose on their enrolment forms. Not many students take up this option. When they do they are fully self-managed by the students.

 

This year we have experimented with running regional support workshops where we invited all the students enrolled in a particular area to attend an evening workshop as a study support for them. After looking at our enrolments we decided to start with three workshops in the main centres. We sent out a questionnaire asking if the students were interested, what time was best for them etc. We accommodated everything they suggested. We also thought this would be a great way for students to start to form support networks in their own areas. For those that attended these workshops were a positive experience and the feedback we received was fantastic. However, the number that attended were very small. We were very disappointed more of our students didn't take advantage of this opportunity. I think it says a lot about the motivations of people who get involved in DE - many want to be left alone to get on with it and they seek help when they need it!

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:03 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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Hi Jxxxxxxx

Your comment is no different to one I received from an adult male (probably in his 30s) who was attending a contact workshop on workplace assessment and being a workplace assessor. He couldn't stand the interactivity and the group work. He came to me and said, "Will you just tell what I need to know and what I need to do. I can't stand all this stuff!” He absolutely did not want to participate in any of the activities everyone else loved and learnt from. He was very pragmatic. He wanted to learn but he required something different. This is okay.

 

We need to remember, "One size does not fit everyone". This can be challenging for us no matter what mode we are working in.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:10 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Mxxxxx -

 

I absolutely agree. At times a group like ours can get a bit overwhelming.

 

A few things I try to do -

 

* I try to limit the group size. A couple of years ago I watched an online experience with 180 participants! And, it consisted of 5 different themes over a period of 5 days. Unbelievable!

 

* I try to log in fairly frequently - if I wait too long there will too many postings.

 

* I make it a rule that I don't open someone's posting unless I have the time to respond. There's no putting off a response since it will quickly get lost.

 

* As you will see, at the beginning of next week I'll put together a synopsis of ideas presented for Theme One. This helps keep me grounded where I can see where we've been and where we're going (and it also helps the participants draw the theme to a close and move on to the next).

 

* I try to keep things at a somewhat personal level with my responses - I try not to make it too much like a lecture. I find this helps maintain my own interest in what's happening (which is essential).

 

* And finally, I really enjoy this. It would be terrible if I didn't and had to begrudgingly create all of these responses to postings!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:12 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Mxxxxx -

 

I'm tired after just reading what you're doing. That's phenomenal!

 

Joe

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:14 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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Mxxxxx -

 

Good point. However, I do think the addition of a learning partner(s) increases the level of participation/interaction and can help fill voids that might occur in the instruction (without the instructor having to be involved).

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:18 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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I would like to add one further point to this discussion.

 

I believe that all learners are motivated at the time they enrol in a programme. However, this may change for a variety of reasons over time and may not be true for the entire period of their enrolment.

 

This is why I believe our administrative systems need to be very efficient so that this momentum is not lost. We need to engage these learners in some way as soon as possible after they enrol and continue by interacting with them throughout the period of their programme of study.

 

I felt you did really well Joe with this course.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:19 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Helping Students - Learner Responsibility

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Hi Gxxx -

 

Excellent examples of ways to support students as they move into d.e.

 

I might also suggest to others the inventory/instrument created by Simone Jonaitis - I think it does a great job of helping the prospective d.e. learner consider what he/she is about to get into.

 

2-3. A Guide for the Distance Education Learner by Simone Jonaitis

 

2-4. Distance Education Inventory - or - So You Are Considering Taking a Distance Education Course! by Simone Jonaitis

 

Both can be found in our textbook (use the same password as you use for entering  Blackboard).

 

http://learnerassociates.net/learners/

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Thu Oct 7 2004 9:23 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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Mxxxxx -

 

Yes - the learner has to know that there is a human being at the other end of the d.e. pipeline.

 

Another thought - we need to understand that it's important to assist learners in moving through their program in a timely way so that their own life doesn't make changes before they're finished. I have seen a number of students not finish programs because their life had changed and they no longer had a strong need for the degree/certificate. At one level that is fine - it's okay for life to move forward. However, on another level I have seen learners feel very embarrassed about not finishing their program!

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 1:37 am

Author: Mxxxxxxxx, Axxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Another challenge I'd add to the one of the instructor being overwhelmed be emails: the lack of resources to support a learning programme in the workplace. So how do you support overwhelmed learners?

 

One thing we are beginning to do at UNHCR is to set up communities of practice/of learners (I use the terms somewhat losely here) to encourage other learners (and possibly graduates of the programme) to support their peers, by providing expert advice or simply share their lessons learned. This is a bit challenging, particularly when the topic (like the application of intl. law) is sensitive and needs to be monitored to ensure that nothing incorrect is said. Nevertheless, I think this collaborative, "constructivist" approach aims at leveraging adult students' knowledge and perspectives. The other question is how much structure you put around these activities, how much you explicit the approach, how much work you can do behind the scenes. So for the instructors the amount of work may remain unchanged...

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 1:46 am

Author: Mxxxxxxx, Axxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: The value of learning partners at a distance

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A motivational factor for a learning group *may* be the fact that they will continue to support each other as a community of practice after the programme is over, after they have established a learning/working relationship. This cannot always be the case, but at UNHCR we are trying to introduce that notion. For so many staff spread out all over the world, the idea of being connected through a network that can have a supporting function is a welcomed notion and a relief. So hopefully the groups that work together and collaborate during the programme can keep on collaborating afterwards. I'm sure we'll have mixed results...

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 1:56 am

Author: Mxxxxxxxx, Axxxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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This has happened to me with adult learners a few times as well. What they want are "tools", "tips", very pragmatic stuff, as was said before. I think the challenge is to talk about the fact that for a teacher to "give" tools and knowledge does not equate with the actual knowledge acquisition. Having the "physical" tool won't necessarily help the learner use it. Of course, this may depend on how much expertise the learner already has with the subject. A pre-assessment to see whether students are taking the right course, setting expectations very clearly up-front *may* help.

 

Sometimes it's difficult to change old habits: if learners are used to "receive" the knowledge, that is if they think of learning as something "given" to them, it may be difficult to change their mind, unless they have a successful experience, an a ha! moment where they can "feel" the benefits of constructing the knowledge themselves...

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 3:52 am

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Learner Responsibility

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Joe

 

One of the underlying principles of adult education is that an adult makes decisions that are appropriate for them with regard to their study. When I talk about life getting in the way I am talking about things that the person has no control over such as death of a loved one, illness, being made redundant from their job etc. I'm not talking about changes which the person may decide to take at some point. I think there is a huge difference.

 

If a student decides they cannot continue with their programme of study I would spend time talking with, trying to work out whether there is anything I could do to help support them to continue. The bottomline though is that this is their programme of study and if they do not want to continue it is their decision and I have to respect it. For me this has major consequences as this would be classified as an incomplete for my course and it would impact on my completion statistics and ultimately the funding for the programme. However I am still going to put the learner's needs first and go with whatever it is that they decide.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 10:32 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Ongoing group support

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Axxxxxxxxx -

 

Thank you for bringing out this idea - group members supporting each other after the program(me) is over. Your comment serves as a reminder to us that sometimes we get caught up with d.e. and assume that everything must happen at a distance and while the program is operating. How far from the truth the reality is (or should be). Certainly learning goes on at different times - all of which are primarily dependent upon the learner (and not the teacher).

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 10:36 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Axxxxxxxxx -

 

It would seem that your approach to d.e. encompasses a "lifelong learning" view. And, your d.e. programs contribute to strengthening such a view within the learners.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 10:37 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: The "Aha" moment

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Axxxxxxxxx -

 

Can you share some thoughts about how a teacher can be more focused on laying a foundation for learner "Ahas" in d.e? I think it's a valuable concept.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 10:43 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: The impact of life events on a learner's d.e. involvement

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Mxxxxx -

 

You've made very good points. Yes, it certainly is not our role to "convince" a learner to continue under such times of life.

 

A role I find that I often play in such situations is to help the learner (a) truly understand the problem they are facing (sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees), and (b) help identify the possible alternatives for action that they have (sometimes life is pushing them so hard that they miss options that they should consider).

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 1:00 pm

Author: Cxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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I love the idea of the "AHA" moment! From what I have seen in distance education so far, it is more likely students have that moment at the end of a de experience. For example, I was a teaching assistant for a Strategic Corporate Communication Coure (Master's level). At the end of the course, groups of 5 had to complete a major project. One group wrote a strategic communication plan for an animal rescue organization. The organization actually implemented pieces of that plan! For those students, that was the AHA moment. They not only had a great portfolio piece, but they could actually see the value of the skills they had learned! Unfortunatley, they didn't have those skills to complete this project until the end of the course, meaning this moment of clarity and enthusiasm was a little delayed . I wish we could figure out a way to get that type of "AHA-ness" earlier.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 6:26 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: Theme One: Learner Responsibility

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Hi Axxxxxxxxx

 

There are a number of aspects to your question of "How do I support overwhelmed learners?"

 

Firstly, I need to isolate why they are overwhelmed. For example, is it the job itself that is the problem, or is it a problem with the course, or could it be a learning problem they may have? I can only work with the learner to support them in their learning. If there is a lack of resources in their workplace together we may be able to come up with possible solutions to get around this. My relationship however is not with the workplace but with the learner in general. Where I do have a relationship with the workplace, for example if I am contracted to come in and work with staff by the workplace, I then have the ability to outline exactly what the staff will need and what the expectations are that the workplace will provide. It is a condition of the contract they sign. Generally this is not a problem because the workplaces want their staff to achieve and so make it possible for them to do so.

 

Second, if the learner has specific learning needs I can then call on the help of our Learning Support Team to work one-on-one with the student on their specific need such as literacy or numeracy. This is specific specialist help. In our institution this Learning Support Team is growing in size – it now includes two staff each devoted to the specific needs of particular cultural groups of students, Maori and Pacifica students. Another thing I have done is to arrange to visit the student in their workplace. Obviously this generally only happens with students situated locally. Sometimes students come and visit me if they are in Wellington visiting.

 

Third, if the problem is to with the learning materials etc then I would spend time working through this with the student. Sometimes the student simply needs to hear you explain something they don’t understand. They need the human connection.

 

An overwhelmed student in my experience may also be someone who doesn’t have the necessary skills to manage their own learning and they need someone to give them some sort of guidance or directive. They enrolled with great intentions, they may not have undertaken further study since they left school many years ago and it all seems too much. What I do in this situation is spend time talking with the student finding out what they need and what they want and then help them to work out a plan of action. I also encourage them to keep in regular contact with me. Just because we are working with adults we cannot assume they have the necessary skills to be successful in a distance education programme no matter how motivated they may be.

 

I think your communities of practice/of learners idea is a great one. I strongly encourage my learners to connect with other practitioners who have either completed the course and or who may also be doing it currently. I believe this connection between people in the same workplace who talk the same talk is very important. I leave this process completely up to them. However, if they want guidance I make it clear they can contact me. A classic example is when I have a group of learners all enrolled in the same programme. They work together through their materials at work and when they have questions one of them takes the responsibility of contacting me to and then this person feeds the information back to the others. This seems to work well. I understand your challenge when sensitive information is involved. You do not however always have to talk about the specifics – sometimes you can still support one another by focusing on general principles. This would be true when I encourage students from different workplaces to connect with one another.

 

I hope this is of use to you Alessandra.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 6:51 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: The "Aha" moment

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Axxxxxxxxx, Jxxxxxxx and Joe

 

Surely we have no control over the "AHa" moment because this is a very personal moment for each learner. No matter what we set up by way of laying the foundation it will still happen at different times for each person. As a distance educator I don't believe we often get to share these moments unless the learner decides to share it with us. In a contact situation you see it - I refer to it as the lightbulb comes on. It is why I am in teaching and it keeps me going - to be able to make a difference to someone else and see them empowered by their own learning. Unfortunately I do not believe we often get to share these moments because for many it happens well after the course has finished.

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 6:56 pm

Author: Sxxxxx, Mxxxxx

Subject: Re: The impact of life events on a learner's d.e. involvement

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Joe

 

You have made valid points which go without saying. Basically it is all about taking the time to connect with the learner and communicate in our mentor mode. Or is it coach in this instance?

 

Mxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 7:50 pm

Author: Rxxxxx, Exxxxxxxx

Subject: Re: Teaching undergards learner responsibilty

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Mxxxxx,

Your point is well taken. I too have had students who just coudn't invest themselves in the dynamics of interacting with others on-line. Since we strive for a sense of community, for these students, the sense of mentor:student seems to be their community of choice.

Exxxxxxxx

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 8 2004 8:34 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: The "Aha" moment

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Mxxxxx -

 

Sad but true! Maybe the answer is to surround ourselves with hundreds and hundreds of learners so that our chances of witnessing an "Aha" is increased. Of course, that's probably called a cult.

 

Seriously - I think there can be appropriate opportunities in a good d.e. situation to operate using some of the key ideas of Carl Rogers - unconditional positive regard for the learner, empathy and genuineness. With these as a foundation to the learner-teacher relationship the degree of trust between teacher and learner is certain to increase and the chance of an "Aha" not only occurring, but being witnessed by the instructor is increased.

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 10:55 am

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Re: The impact of life events on a learner's d.e. involvement

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Mxxxxx -

 

Now you're raised another question. What is the difference between a mentor and a coach, and a facilitator, and a teacher, and an advisor, and ... I'm not sure there are any good definitions that would work for all of us. However, I tend to reserve "mentor" for a special type of relationship that is built on a strong base of trust. It usually takes a while to develop and can't be imposed on the participants. Others have ideas on this one?

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 4:59 pm

Author: Bxxxx, Cxxxxxxxx

Subject: Equity of Control/Distribution of Power

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I think I am going to look for ideas that improve getting learners to "buy in" to DE through: Equity of Control. I liked the increasing ability to exercise control over sequence and pace at time and place of convenience. That will definately be fun for the already self motivated and directed learner. In my county the aging population is increasing wildly...More household without children, people considering living (sometimes well) for alot more years. Sometimes we focus on teens and nothing to do but for the aging population keeping busy in mind and body require a longer range plan. DE can access that wealth of experience and talent helping the individual learners and society as well. Also I found balance in the term: Distribution of the Power. This was referred to in Who controls the Learning Environment. I have always had DE classes where the instructors had a team, They included and sent us to team players in the other aspects of the learning environment...like techy's and tutors online or in person. Always having multiple levels of people and ways to contact people who can help with the part a learner is having trouble with. I have not had the experience or responsibility of the learner who would rather drop out than learn it. As I think about designing a DE course I see that I will learn alot from reading others vast experience in this critical area!!!

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 5:25 pm

Author: Bxxxx, Cxxxxxxxx

Subject: Aquarian Conspiracy AHA

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Networking and finding those people was called Aquarian Conspiracy in the 60-70's. Now the Age has dawned... I like it in classes like these.ckb

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 5:38 pm

Author: Bxxxx, Cxxxxxxxx

Subject: Mentor /Coach

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I liked your category of a more developed Mentor relationship. Many people want to "Give you their life" from the very first meeting and this is not just with youth. Just as many are too too independent and no one gets in. I think as facilitators or DE lead people we have to lay out bottom lines of expectations clearly. I hear in the postings of the being buried in student questions and contacts. I hope we will be moving through layers of content that show how to plan for and develop with both/and opportunities for design.

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 5:57 pm

Author: Bxxxx, Cxxxxxxxx

Subject: perceived $$$ benefit?

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I think this situation very much parallels the people taking courses to show on the resume or form for advancement. Money consideration are no small matter to most people in the world and making a living wage or surriving in farming are tough "rows to hoe". I grow concerned as Extension discusses more ways to stay funded by charging for programs. I hope that citizens will continue to find the information they need from people they know and trust. I do hope that initiatives to use technology for information dissemination help with the cost aspect of keeping the knowledge available. I sure hope DE can help me get food preservation info to my clients who can't afford to travel either. ckb

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Sat Oct 9 2004 10:11 pm

Author: Levine, S Joseph < levine@msu.edu>

Subject: Information delivery in d.e.??

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Cxxxxxxxx (& others ) -

 

I think we have to be careful not to fall into the trap where we assume that the main purpose of d.e. is to disseminate information. Certainly that can be one of the uses of d.e. - but clearly a very low level use. More important are the higher level uses of d.e. where we help learners apply the information and encourage their ability to analyze, synthesize and evaluate their use of the information. Adults tend to avoid situations where they are required to just remember information. Instead they look for situations where they are able to solve problems they are facing. The real challenge for d.e. is to move to these higher levels. And, the problem becomes one of individualizing - since each adult is facing different problems that need solving.

 

Information delivery focused d.e. is very simple to do (since your curriculum is built around information). Higher level d.e. is difficult to do (since your curriculum must be organized around the problems that each individual learner is facing).

 

Joe

 

 

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Current Forum: Theme 1 - Sub-Forum Discussion - Learner Responsibility

Date: Fri Oct 15 2004 2:40 pm

Author: Hxxxxxxxxxx, Mxxx

Subject: Re: Encouraging learner responsibility

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Joe, Your suggestion is very helpful. I've already shared it with the faculty I am working with. Thanks!

 

 

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